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Post by sgalle on May 17, 2010 10:36:28 GMT -5
By now, you're familiar with the major division of conflicts in literature (and, perhaps, in life)--internal and external. What conflicts do you observe in this novel? What predictions, if any, can you make about how these conflicts will develop or be resolved?
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Post by imartinez on Aug 29, 2010 0:24:18 GMT -5
The external conflict of the book 1984 happens between the main character Winston Smith and the leader of the party Big Brother. Winston was against all the rules and laws that Big Brother imposed because he believed in freedom. He tried to rebel by writing his thoughts in a diary. Big Brother was suspicious of Winston. Later he met O’Brien and showed him his diary. O’Brien pretended to be against the party and promised to help Winston and give him a book that told the truth about Big Brother. This was all Big Brother’s plan, so later Winston was betrayed and brainwashed. The conflict ended because Winston now loves the party and he doesn’t have thought of freedom any more. The internal conflict of the book is between two ideas to govern, which are democracy and totalitarianism. The author of the book criticizes totalitarianism in this book, by showing that there is no freedom of thought, speech or act. He shows this by being observe all the time by Big Brother and the party. Orwell also shows that by brainwashing and keeping the people ignorant, the party will always have control because they don’t know anything better. Also we can see that Orwell describes the society as a depressing, gray and dark place. He wrote this when communism was spreading in the world; this was his idea of what was going to happen in the future. By writing this book he shows the readers how democracy is better than totalitarianism. This is a problem that already exists in many countries, but not so extremely like it is told in the book. The only way that I think it could be solved is by rebellion of the people or by the leader’s death. This way the country will have new elections and a democratic leader could be elected. This problem could also develop in places that are now democratic like Ecuador, because of the leader ideas and laws. Isabel Maria Martinez
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Post by juanjpinto on Aug 29, 2010 17:48:39 GMT -5
" war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength ", the main conflict of this book is the strong manipulation of an oppressing leader followed by several allies. Big brother creates laws for a community to become perfect, everyone is brainwashed and follows the rules established by him. There is one exception, his name is Winston Smith, who certainly believes the opposite than everyone else and cannot forget things so easily. As a dream of his, he tries to find out what happened before the revolution; and if this was better that the past. He meets O'Brien who acts as a helper and tells him he could find out about the past with a book that few have seen. After all O' Brien ends being a thought police member who was trying to manipulate the last person in the whole community who thought different. The conflict of this book ends in favor of Big Brother, and now a complete dystopia is formed by eliminating freedom for completly
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Post by Jose Antonio Ponce on Aug 29, 2010 17:58:02 GMT -5
All along the novel, a variety of internal and external conflicts appear. The most notable internal conflict that I detected comes from Winston Smith, the main character, and his hatred towards Big Brother. Winston is uncomfortable and unhappy with the style of life he has, he beliefs that freedom is the solution to all his problems, and the basic tool that will help him achieve happiness and what he wants. He realizes that the problems come from Big Brother that is the person responsible for the lack of freedom all around Oceania. As a form of relief to be able to express his thoughts Winston decides to write a diary with all the feelings he has and the thoughts against Big Brother. He knows that there is a movement called The Brotherhood that is trying to make the people of Oceania realizes the ugly truth behind Big Brother, so they could overthrow him and finally achieve freedom. Sadly Big Brother suspects of Winston and makes O’Brian an official of The Party, that is friends with Winston to place him guilty. O’Brian lies to Winston telling him that he is not comfortable with Big Brother and that he wants to overthrow him. He gives Winston the book of The Brotherhood that hides all the truth about the dystopia in which Oceania is leaving. With the diary and that book on Winston’s hands Big Brother reaches his goal and finds him guilty. Winston frustrated is tortured many days refusing to stop believing in freedom, until the people of the Party brainwashes him, and he becomes one slave more of Big Brother. By the other side, the external conflict is the crash between two opposite ways of ruling. Orwell in this book attacks and makes the reader feel the absurd and the danger of having an absolute ruler. Even though there is not a direct comparison between a totalitarian rule and a democracy, I could infer that the external conflict is between democracy, that uses freedom as a base, and a totalitarian rule. At the end the battle between these two opposite forces is clearly won by democracy, due to all the misery and conflicts Oceania has. Jose Antonio Ponce
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Post by rflor on Aug 29, 2010 18:22:58 GMT -5
pinto just quoting you as i believe you talk of some very important conflicts with in the novel though i see some differences in the same quote you chosed " war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength " the main conflict of this book is the strong manipulation of an oppressing leader followed by several allies . i agree but i must differe i see no real allies i see internal organization which are in charge of making sure the laws set are been done (thought police) [glow=red,2,300]Big brother creates laws[/glow] If you mean the Eastasia or Euroasia countries i may recall they are at war and they dont help each other, they are sharing a common belief of the distopia. A distopi that mantainces its citizens under labour and work using the free time and money to prevent them from thinking in how unfair and imperfect the world and their goverment is. There is one exception, his name is Winston Smith, who certainly believes the opposite than everyone else and cannot forget things so easily. . I will add to that list Julia. If it wasnt for Julia, Winston wouldnt have found the way of taking those thought of a free world into actrion; physical. Besides if we think about it, all those people who had their gin and coffee at the chestnut Tree were too unloyal to the party. Remember those were persons who had dissapeared, no one knew why (to be tortured until they loved big brother) and had a bad reputation; winston in the end of the book spend time in there too after been tortured and earned the same bad reputation. After all O' Brien ends being a thought police member who was trying to manipulate the last person in the whole community who thought different. I wont say last becuase other person will have the same job of Winston later on. Is in human nature the ability to reason, think and question out of curiosity whats happening in the world! I strongly believe that this wont be the last person to question and go against the party but one of the few that moved on beyond simple thinking into action. The conflict of this book ends in favor of Big Brother, and now a complete dystopia is formed by eliminating freedom for completly Yes it does. I agree. Finally did the party ispired love from WInston towards big brother. Ricardo Flor Blanco
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Post by christianluna on Aug 29, 2010 18:52:53 GMT -5
I think that the confilct of the story is Winston agains society and Winston agianst Big Brother (Human vs Human). At the beggining of the story, Winston explains that he hates Big Brother and the Party. He, in secret and in his mind, he is agianst the government and writes all his thoughts on a personnal journal. He wants and tries to trick, to break a rule agianst the government, to win a personnal victory. Unlike the rest of the society who follows all the rules and believes everything that Big Brothers says, Winston resists. He knows the Party and Big Brother are lying, that the people live in fear and in poverty, that Big Brother only makes wars. However, almost all of the society have been already brainwashed, and many had joined the Thought Police and started looking for traitors or any who is agianst Big Brother. However, Winston commits a thought crime of writing thoughts a gainst the Party and Big Brother and he knew that he could be cought, he would be tourcherd and maybe even killed. This could be an example of an inner conflict as Winston is risking his life and he isnt quite sure what he is doing, he is fighting within him not knowing what deciscions he must take. Another conflict in the novel is the war and violence that the society is living. Oceania is fighting a ever lasting war agianst Eurasia and Eastasia and also is fighting within his own soild agianst the so called Brotherhood, thought criminals etc. This could be thought as a external conflict, two powerful nations fighting agianst one. Big Brother and his party started all this conflict and i think the only way to solve it is by killing Big Brother and liberating Oceania form the Party, so the people can live happy, stabled and most of all with thier own freedom. Christian Luna
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Post by vanessaalarcon on Aug 29, 2010 19:43:13 GMT -5
The whole plot of the novel 1984 springs from an internal conflict Winston Smith experienced. He is one of the individuals living in a hierarchal society. The people living in Oceania at this time were ruled harshly upon the beliefs of a party who wanted them all to agree with their principles and whose purpose was to take away the individuality of their people. Winston is one of the people who disagrees and actually despises the party. The party controls and alters the records of past according to their convenience.
Winston has an internal conflict since he has no way of knowing whether his memories are accurate or if he’s going crazy and the party’s records are real. This conflict results in Winston being caught by the Thought Police after joining the Brotherhood, which never actually existed.
Another of the conflicts he experiences is his inability to perform doublethink. He is not able to accept the Party’s words exactly as they are without doubting of them. This was another of the reasons for which Winston is caught and tortured by the Thought Police.
One of the external conflicts is Winston and his weakness against the party. Winston can do nothing about the party’s ways so he has to keep himself low profile if he wants to stay alive. As soon as he has the chance to join an organization that is plotting against the Party, he joins it as soon as he can. The Brotherhood, as it is called, is actually just a way of catching thought criminals.
Vanessa Alarcon Borja
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Post by xaviponz on Aug 29, 2010 20:28:21 GMT -5
The conflict between Winston and Big Brother starts from the beginning of the novel when Winston begins to keep his secret diary about Big Brother. Winston Smith is a third-nine years old man who is a member of the 'outer-party'--the lower of the two classes. Winston works for the government in one of the four main government buildings called the ministry of Truth where his job is to rewrite history books in order for people not to learn what the past used to be like. Winston's occupation is the major factor which lets him to realize that Big Brother is restricting people's freedom. However, Winston keeps his complains about Big Brother and the party for his own secret because the party will not allow anyone keeping a rebellious thought. The tension between them gets serious when Big Brother becomes suspicious of Winston. Winston is therefore watched by O'Brien, an intelligent execute at the 'Ministry of Truth', who is a member of the 'inner party'--the upper class. Without doubting Big Brother's trap, Winston shares his ideas with O'Brien. O'Brien mentions a gentleman named Emmanuel Goldstein whom he claims to know the leader of the rebels against the party. O'Brien also promises to help Winston, and promises him a copy of Goldstein's book. But O'Brien betrays him as Big Brother has planned. The conflict continues when Big Brother caught Winston and he sends him to underground rooms where criminals are interrogated and questioned. At the end Winston gets his brain and thoughts manage by Big Brother and he ends up supporting him and the party. Xavier Ponce Zambrano
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Post by xaviponz on Aug 29, 2010 20:29:06 GMT -5
The conflict between Winston and Big Brother starts from the beginning of the novel when Winston begins to keep his secret diary about Big Brother. Winston Smith is a third-nine years old man who is a member of the 'outer-party'--the lower of the two classes. Winston works for the government in one of the four main government buildings called the ministry of Truth where his job is to rewrite history books in order for people not to learn what the past used to be like. Winston's occupation is the major factor which lets him to realize that Big Brother is restricting people's freedom. However, Winston keeps his complains about Big Brother and the party for his own secret because the party will not allow anyone keeping a rebellious thought. The tension between them gets serious when Big Brother becomes suspicious of Winston. Winston is therefore watched by O'Brien, an intelligent execute at the 'Ministry of Truth', who is a member of the 'inner party'--the upper class. Without doubting Big Brother's trap, Winston shares his ideas with O'Brien. O'Brien mentions a gentleman named Emmanuel Goldstein whom he claims to know the leader of the rebels against the party. O'Brien also promises to help Winston, and promises him a copy of Goldstein's book. But O'Brien betrays him as Big Brother has planned. The conflict continues when Big Brother caught Winston and he sends him to underground rooms where criminals are interrogated and questioned. At the end Winston gets his brain and thoughts manage by Big Brother and he ends up supporting him and the party. Xavier Ponce Zambrano
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Post by dcontag on Aug 29, 2010 20:46:55 GMT -5
Democracy and totalitarianism is the polemic subject for the internal conflict of this story. We can see how Gorge Orwell wants the reader to realize the bad effects this totalitarian government have on this society, and also the bad methods they used. He communicated this to us by describing how people were oppressed; telescreens and microphones were all over the place so the party of Big Brother would be aware of everything that is happening. People were watched 24/7 so people got used to being scared so they won’t show any type of affection between them, or express themselves. This is why Orwell creates this character, Winston, who will impose a different way of thinking, which will be democracy. This character will try change things, using freedom of speech and being affectionate to a woman. The external conflict would be this man, called Winston Smith opposing this figure, Big Brother who isn’t actually a person. This figure is the leader of the party, the party that Winston opposes. He opposes the laws and rules this party is based on. He tries to express his ideas about the party, basically the lack of freedom there was. But after all, he is caught by the Thought Police. He was brainwashed all though he was really persistent. He ended up being loyal to Big Brother and totally believing in the party. Diana Contag
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Post by camilauribe on Aug 29, 2010 22:20:25 GMT -5
The novel 1984 by George Orwell was an internal conflict as well as an external. The internal conflict is between the two idea of democracy and totalitarianism and the external conflict is between Winston Smith and the Big Brother. These two conflicts go together along the story. Meaning that Winston Smith and the Big Brother represent the contrasted ideas on democracy and totalitarianism in the book. The conflict between Big Brother and Winston begins when Winston starts writing a diary with ideas against Big Brother. Thanks to Winston’s job, rewriting all the history books, he realizes that Big Brother is restricting people’s liberty. At the end of the story these conflicts are solved when Winston is tortured to believe that totalitarianism is good. If the story could have a different ending, I think it would be that Winston finally rebels against Big Brother and shows the ancient history books to everyone so eventually all the citizens will rebel too and they would have their freedom back.
Camila Uribe
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Post by juandiegoalbuja on Sept 4, 2010 19:51:00 GMT -5
The conflict of 1984 is how can someone live in a place where they are force to do this and are not allow to do that and have live so depressive and repetitive. Winston lives here and starts to see that no matter what he will not be able to escape or do anything alone, then he meets O`Brien one of the antagonist of Winston who betray him and Julia a gril who he starts a relationship with. The book shows how can a totalitarian government can rule and how far can they go to control the brains of the people who live in it. Winston put in one of this situations where he is been torture and brake down the main purpose of the Party and Big Brother. So at the conflict that Winston had with the Party of how he was not able to do any thing free and do anything private was so frustrated for him end up been a scary and not even thing about idea in his mind and Julia became a no body for him. What the Party was abel to do was so big that he lost and the Party became bigger and powerful and ultimately won. Juan Diego Albuja
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