cus8
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Post by cus8 on Aug 29, 2010 23:35:00 GMT -5
"The thought police would get him just the same. He had committed--would have committed, even if he had never set pen to paper--the essential crime that contained all others in itself. Thoughtcrime, they called it. Thoughtcrime was not a thing that could be concealed forever. You might dodge successfully for a while, even for years, but sooner or later they were bound to get you."
People in this society were not even allowed to think by themselves, it was agains the government and the thought police to even start thinking about their future or goal they want to achieve in their lives. Writing a diary was agains the law, but even for thinking on writing one you were killed or punished. in this society the thought police was trying to turn people into robots, because robot never come up with their own conclusion or beliefs they will just do what they were told. The government will not allow people to think further or reflect about thinks, rebellions will start because questions and uncertainties will show and people will start waking-up from this slavery they were living on.
In the las sentence of the quote we can see how they are telling us that sooner or later the thought police will get you. This is because we as humans have in our blood to react based on our thoughts. So as the city was full of cameras and microphones they will get you no maker how carful you were acting as a robot.
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Post by crismantilla on Aug 30, 2010 0:38:10 GMT -5
"What most afflicted him with the sense of nightmare was that he had never clearly understood why the huge imposture was undertaken. The immediate advantages of falsifying the past were obvious, but the ultimate motive was mysterious." ( pg 79)
What this quote is reffering to is that Winston doensn't actually get why the party changes different events in history so that it will all sound like it happened or was created by the party and the big brother. He understands that sometimes they change it so that the big brother will always be right and also after some one was been vaporized and the events including an action of that person should be erased. The whole point of it is to have more power and control over people's lives and so that all the Oceania's history would sound as flawless and in favor of the party. According to the party, everything had happened after the big brother came to power and all that he said and did was right.
Cristina Mantilla
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Post by camichiriboga on Sept 1, 2011 12:53:30 GMT -5
“'If there is hope,' he had written in the diary, 'it lies in the proles.' The words kept coming back to him, statement of a mystical truth and a palpable absurdity.” (chapter 8) This reveals how Winston was different than others. He didn’t believe the past learned in the books because he knew it was all altered. He wanted the truth and to know where he had come from. The proles were the low class people who were permitted by the state to follow their own ways of living, feelings and beliefs. Within the proles lived old aged men who were the ones that knew how it was like before the Brotherhood. This brought joy and wonder to Winston to discover more about these people and to interact with them. They were the only ones that were closer to freedom at least of thought. The party wanted others to view proles as dirty, worthless and corrupt society. But Winston knew that the only way he could be free was by following their ways and he would someday discover how society had been before. Camila Chiriboga
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